{"id":4999,"date":"2022-04-07T06:49:55","date_gmt":"2022-04-07T06:49:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/?p=4999"},"modified":"2022-05-30T08:19:38","modified_gmt":"2022-05-30T08:19:38","slug":"first-person-plural","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/2022\/04\/07\/first-person-plural\/","title":{"rendered":"First Person Plural"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This first person singular &#8212; that&#8217;s &#8216;I&#8217;, meaning &#8216;me&#8217; &#8212; has increasing difficulties with the first person plural &#8212; that&#8217;s &#8216;we&#8217;, meaning &#8216;us&#8217;. Every day I come across phrases, usually freighted with some agonised self-flagellating subtext, or so I assume, that say something like (and I paraphrase here)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We are causing the destruction of the endangered crimp-eyed chuzzbanger<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and I ask myself &#8211; who is this &#8216;we&#8217; referred to in the <del>third<\/del> <del>fifth<\/del> foregoing?<\/p>\n<p>Does this &#8216;we&#8217; include me, personally, the reader? If not, all I can say is, well, people, you should do better. For goodness&#8217; sake go forth and improve the status of the crimp-eyed chuzzbanger, and don&#8217;t complain to me about it.<\/p>\n<p>If, however, I suspect, the &#8216;we&#8217; is meant to include me, personally, then I ask myself a more serious question &#8212; how is it that the author of these sentiments is so convinced of their rightness such that any view I might have in the matter &#8212; someone the author might not know, or have met &#8212; is automatically set at naught, having no value, and overridden? Notwithstanding inasmuch as which the case of the crimp-eyed chuzzbanger might merit urgent action, has anyone actually asked me whether I might have an opinion on the matter?<\/p>\n<p>Therefore I ask myself whether the first person plural as presently constituted is too blunt an instrument, or, to use a modish cliche, Not Fit For <del>Porpoises<\/del> Purpose. For it encompasses many different things, such as (and possibly not exhaustively)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>a well-defined group of people that includes the author of the statement and a small group of people in a team that includes the author and known to them. We, this team of conservationists, that&#8217;s me and Carol and Bob and Ted and Alice, is going to do something about the crimp-eyed chuzzbanger.<\/li>\n<li>a more-or-less well-defined group of people that includes the author but explicitly <em>not<\/em> anyone who happens to read or hear that statement. We, a team of conservationists, is going to do something about the crimp-eyed chuzzbanger, but you can stay at home.<\/li>\n<li>a less well-defined group of people that includes the author of the statement and anyone the author might never have met or know personally, such as readers of a book or the audience of a broadcast. We, humanity in general, need to do something about the crimp-eyed chuzzbanger, irrespective of the views of any individual.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The English language is clearly deficient in that it seems unable to express these shades of meaning. We should do something about it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There is a solution to this. It comes from <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tok_Pisin\"><em>tok pisin<\/em><\/a> (usually known as &#8216;pidgin&#8217;) the <em>lingua franca<\/em> of Papua New Guinea. I was vaguely aware of this, having been told about it long ago by Jared Diamond [<em>namedrop namedrop &#8211; Ed<\/em>] as part of a cautionary tale, that <em>tok pisin<\/em> has a complexity and subtlety that can trip up those who assume it&#8217;s childishly simple, when it isn&#8217;t.\u00a0 However, I came across it again in concrete form in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Dictionary-Languages-Definitive-Reference-More\/dp\/0713678410\"><em>Dictionary of Languages<\/em> by Andrew Dalby<\/a>, a fabulous book I picked up secondhand the other day, in which the author discusses the richness of personal pronouns in <em>tok pisin<\/em>. I quote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; for the first person these are <em>mi<\/em> &#8216;I&#8217;, <em>yumitupela<\/em> &#8216;we, including person addressed, total two&#8217;, <em>yumitripela<\/em> &#8216;ditto, total three&#8217;, <em>yumi<\/em> &#8216;ditto, indefinite total&#8217;, <em>mitupela<\/em> &#8216;we two, excluding person addressed&#8217;, <em>mitripela<\/em> &#8216;we three, ditto&#8217;, <em>mipela<\/em>, &#8216;we\u00a0 all, ditto&#8217;.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This first person singular &#8212; that&#8217;s &#8216;I&#8217;, meaning &#8216;me&#8217; &#8212; has increasing difficulties with the first person plural &#8212; that&#8217;s &#8216;we&#8217;, meaning &#8216;us&#8217;. Every day I come across phrases, usually freighted with some agonised self-flagellating subtext, or so I assume, &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/2022\/04\/07\/first-person-plural\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":11,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8,10],"tags":[1958,1896,1957,1380,1956,1955],"class_list":["post-4999","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-silliness","category-writing","tag-andrew-dalby","tag-crimp-eyed-chuzzbanger","tag-dictionary-of-languages","tag-jared-diamond","tag-pidgin","tag-tok-pisin"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4999","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/11"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4999"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4999\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4999"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4999"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/cromercrox\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4999"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}