{"id":1633,"date":"2012-04-29T17:43:04","date_gmt":"2012-04-29T22:43:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/stevecaplan\/?p=1633"},"modified":"2012-04-30T13:47:19","modified_gmt":"2012-04-30T18:47:19","slug":"however","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/stevecaplan\/2012\/04\/29\/however\/","title":{"rendered":"However&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Have you ever had a manuscript was accepted unconditionally without any revisions? In speaking with many scientists, it turns out that this seems to be a once in a lifetime phenomenon. Indeed, it has happened to me but once.<\/p>\n<p>A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, I was once a graduate student. Actually, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/8044823\" target=\"_blank\">this manuscript<\/a> was submitted in the course of my Masters reserach, and was my very first paper. As the first-author, and as a student with two advisers, I actually took care of the submission process myself. Not knowing any better, I also put myself down as the corresponding author. Little did I know that this is not something that a Masters student normally does.<\/p>\n<p>In the month following the submission, very much against my will, I was serving a bout of the most awful reserve duty in the Palestinian city of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nablus\" target=\"_blank\">Nablus<\/a>, based in the old British headquarters building (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/world\/video\/2011\/dec\/19\/military-activity-nablus-british-pathe-video\" target=\"_blank\">shown 50 years earlier in this video from the Guardian<\/a>) when the reviews came back. Part of my tour was spent guarding the so-called &#8220;Joseph&#8217;s Tomb&#8221; a flashpoint of contention between Israeli settlers and Palestinians in the midst of a large Palestinian city. But I&#8217;ll save this for another rainy (stormy?) day.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1640\" style=\"width: 210px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/stevecaplan\/2012\/04\/29\/however\/fire-tomb\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1640\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1640\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1640\" src=\"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/stevecaplan\/files\/2012\/04\/fire-tomb-200x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1640\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Joseph&#039;s Tomb: Israeli settlers and Palestinians have all but ablated any meaning for this site<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I spoke to my wife on the phone&#8211;a pay phone (remember those?)&#8211;and she read me the editorials letter and critiques. I was crushed. I thought that was the end of my attempts to publish this manuscript. When I finally returned to the lab and showed the letter to one of my advisers, he glanced at it and said immediately \u201cOh, it&#8217;s in. We should have sent it to a better journal.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As it turned out, my inexperience in reading and interpreting letters from editors led me to believe that a request for changing a few words in the title was an absolute rejection. Little did I know that I would never have it so easy with future submissions.<\/p>\n<p>Today the standard for publication in most self-respecting journals has become very high. While this is a good thing, overall, it has led to some things which aren&#8217;t so good. Inevitably, now, every author quickly scans letters from the editors of journals looking for the &#8220;However&#8221; word. This is because these letters frequently begin by saying how the manuscript does not meet the standards for the journal and so forth, but often there is a small opening in the form of a \u201chowever statement.&#8221; This statement often leaves the door open for a series of revisions and additional experiments that if successfully carried out will allow the editor to re-examine the manuscript. And we all know that in today&#8217;s scientific environment this usually means months and months of additional work leading to a pile of new figures often taking shape as \u201csupplemental figures.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Having said that, \u201chowever\u201d can also work the other way around. Many a grant review explicitly writes that the proposal is \u201cnovel, interesting, and well thought out&#8221; and then shoots everything down with a &#8220;however statement.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But back to the issue of supplemental figures and additional data. This has become a consistent theme in modern biomedical research&#8211;for better or for worse.<\/p>\n<p>I am currently on the editorial boards of 3 journals, and most recently joined the editorial board of a major and long-standing general biochemistry journal. At a recent meeting, the issue of reviewers requesting more and more data to be deposited in never-ending files of inadequately reviewed supplemental PDFs, underwent serious discussion. Indeed, I am happy to say that this journal has taken a leadership stand and decided that overall supplemental figures should be reserved for Excel files, lists of proteins, arrays and other such data that doesn&#8217;t properly fit within the manuscript itself. At the same time, the journal would like to discourage reviewers from requesting that authors who have shown data using cell line A, also show similar results with cell lines B-Z.<\/p>\n<p>Back in 1994, when my first paper was accepted with only a textual revision to the title, there were no supplemental figures. There were no online journals. It seems that the ability to publish online without the necessity of paper has led to a new standard where authors are clearly discouraged from using the phrase \u201cdata not shown\u201d or \u201cunpublished observations.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I think it&#8217;s fine and desirable to hold authors to rigorous scientific standards. At the same time, as a reviewer and also as an author I would like to believe that minor points that do not directly relate to the key findings of the manuscript do not all have to be shown and should not slow down the publication and advancement of science. After all, isn&#8217;t the goal of publishing to allow other scientists to take advantage of these findings and move science forward?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">NOTE:<\/span> As it turns out I&#8217;ve just scooped &#8220;<em>The Journal of Cell Biology<\/em>&#8221; editorial with my blog! For more discussion on this very issue (!!!) please see: <a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/content\/197\/3\/345.full\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/content\/197\/3\/345.full<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/\"> JCB Home<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&gt; <a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/content\/by\/year\/2012\">2012 Archive <\/a><\/li>\n<li>&gt; <a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/content\/197\/3.toc\">30 April <\/a><\/li>\n<li>&gt; Williams et al. 197 (3): 345<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div>Published April 30, 2012 \/\/ <cite> <abbr title=\"The Journal of Cell Biology\">JCB<\/abbr> vol. 197 no. 3 345-346 <\/cite><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/site\/misc\/terms.xhtml\">The Rockefeller University Press<\/a>, doi: 10.1083\/jcb.201203056<\/p>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/content\/197\/3\/345.full#license-1\">\u00a9 2012 Williams et al.<\/a><\/div>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<ul>\n<li>Editorial<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<h1 id=\"article-title-1\">Minimizing the \u201cRe\u201d in Review<\/h1>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/search?author1=Elizabeth+H.+Williams&amp;sortspec=date&amp;submit=Submit\">Elizabeth H. Williams<\/a><a id=\"xref-aff-1-1\" href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/content\/197\/3\/345.full#aff-1\">1<\/a>,<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/search?author1=Pamela+A.+Carpentier&amp;sortspec=date&amp;submit=Submit\">Pamela A. Carpentier<\/a><a id=\"xref-aff-1-2\" href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/content\/197\/3\/345.full#aff-1\">2<\/a>, and<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/search?author1=Tom+Misteli&amp;sortspec=date&amp;submit=Submit\">Tom Misteli<\/a><a id=\"xref-aff-1-3\" href=\"http:\/\/jcb.rupress.org\/content\/197\/3\/345.full#aff-1\">3<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Have you ever had a manuscript was accepted unconditionally without any revisions? In speaking with many scientists, it turns out that this seems to be a once in a lifetime phenomenon. Indeed, it has happened to me but once. 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