{"id":1113,"date":"2011-12-04T23:00:52","date_gmt":"2011-12-04T23:00:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/?p=1113"},"modified":"2011-12-04T23:02:05","modified_gmt":"2011-12-04T23:02:05","slug":"cmon-kids-play-nice","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/2011\/12\/04\/cmon-kids-play-nice\/","title":{"rendered":"C&#8217;mon kids play nice"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>or how to politely (if strongly) disagree<\/p>\n<p>so I read the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nature.com\/nature\/journal\/v477\/n7366\/full\/477626a.html\" target=\"_blank\">Womanspace<\/a> article that has raised a furror on the blogosphere lately&#8230; <\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t like it, it does seem to rely on the standard gender stereotypes that have been going on since the 1950&#8217;s.  I can understand why people are up in arms.  I can understand the annoyance at the message that seems to be the same old same old stereotype of women and perhaps it shouldn&#8217;t be in <em>Nature<\/em>. There is an excellent critique as to why <a href=\"http:\/\/io9.com\/5860949\/science-fiction-thats-not-only-anti+woman-its-anti+science\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a> by Charlie Jane Anders and <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.scientificamerican.com\/science-sushi\/2011\/11\/16\/the-charismatic-misogynist\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a> by Chistie Wilcox.  There is disagreement and there are reasons and they are rational in their critiques. <\/p>\n<p>However some of the blogosphere reactions to Womanspace are a bit over the top and resort to name calling. <\/p>\n<p>some of the commentary is what I would call personal attacks:<\/p>\n<p>like this:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/isisthescientist.com\/2011\/11\/26\/on-why-ed-rybicki-is-no-better-than-henry-gee-lessons-from-womanpace\/\" target=\"_blank\"><em><br \/>\nAnd, for every post you write, one or more people are going to write a post in response.  That\u2019s how the blogosphere rolls.  And with each post someone new is going to walk away from this thinking you are a huge goatfucker.  Because, for fuck\u2019s sake, at this point that\u2019s the only way I can see this going down.  Your friends think you\u2019re funny, but the rest of us are offended.  Take some time, reflect, drink some more wine, and then, if you feel the need, comment later.  Much later.  Much, much later.  Comment to your friends who think you\u2019re hilarious, because the rest of us really, really don\u2019t.<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>and this in a post entitled &#8216;Let&#8217;s keep it civil&#8217;<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/isisthescientist.com\/2011\/11\/26\/lets-keep-it-civil-womanspace\/\" target=\"_blank\"><em><br \/>\nYou know, I didn\u2019t think he was a bastard when this all began, but I could certainly be convinced\u2026<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Its fair enough to disagree, and to write a blog about why you disagree, I have read several (as I said above) that set out the case to why the offense, why this shouldn&#8217;t be published in <em>Nature<\/em> and other reasons. <\/p>\n<p>But name calling is bad, it not only is just offensive and over the line, but also makes you loose your point. If you want make a rational point, do exactly that; it might just be me but I don&#8217;t understand how &#8216;goatfucker&#8217; of whatever dimensional size, is a rational construct that adds to any critique.     <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>or how to politely (if strongly) disagree so I read the Womanspace article that has raised a furror on the blogosphere lately&#8230; I didn&#8217;t like it, it does seem to rely on the standard gender stereotypes that have been going &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/2011\/12\/04\/cmon-kids-play-nice\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":16,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[168],"tags":[318],"class_list":["post-1113","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-womanspace","tag-womanspace"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1113","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/16"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1113"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1113\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1113"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1113"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/occamstypewriter.org\/sylviamclain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1113"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}