11 Responses to Simon Singh vs. the chiropractors: today in court

  1. Stephen Curry says:

    Very nice synopsis Austin. I hope to report briefly on my impressions of this morning’s proceedings, though I will leave the legal interpretation stuff to @jackofkent. I was really sorry I couldn’t stay for this afternoon’s proceedings where the BCA counsel made their case and received, as you note, some fairly pointed questions from their lordships!

  2. Lee Turnpenny says:

    Just got the E-mail from _Sense About Science_ also. Thanks for the update.

  3. Henry Gee says:

    Thanks for that summary and all the links, Austin, I have been following the event eagerly over twitter (for anyone watching, follow the hashtag #SinghBCA).

  4. Austin Elliott says:

    David Allen Green / Jack of Kent’s “post on today’s events”:http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2010/02/good-day-in-court.html is now up.

  5. Stephen Curry says:

    And Crispian Jago presents a great irreverent take “here”:http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/02/singh-bca-appeal-23rd-feb-2010.html.
    Me, I’m still fiddling with my notes.

  6. Stephen Curry says:

    And now I’ve stopped fiddling. Mine is a more “personal account”:http://network.nature.com/people/scurry/blog/2010/02/24/science-in-court of what went on yesterday morning.

  7. Åsa Karlström says:

    THanks for the information. I’m looking forward knowing the end of this.
    By the way, how’s this going to go on? Is there one day of hearing and then they sit down and discuss and mull over it, or it there several days of evidence etc?

  8. Mike Fowler says:

    It all _sounds_ promising, but then, I’m a scientist, and likely to interpret events in a manner that support my view anyway.
    One thing concerns me in all this, and doesn’t seem to have been mentioned yet. The question of where scientific debate takes place.
    Will the judges decide that what Singh published would not be actionable if it appeared in a peer-reviewed scientific journal? Therefore, they could conclude that he’s strung himself up by trying to promote a scientific discussion in a -commie, pinko rag- daily newspaper?
    I don’t know the intricacies of the legal process. Perhaps I’ll go and ask JackofKent…

  9. Austin Elliott says:

    Hi Mike.
    One of the issues is that he would not have used precisely the same language in a scientific journal, as the “language codes” are different. There was a thread last Summer discussing this “at the _British Medical Journal,_”:http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/339/jul08_4/b2783 (see 4th comment “from Prof Trisha Greenhalgh,”:http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/339/jul08_4/b2783#216745 and various responses, inc. one from David Colquhoun and even “one from me”:http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/339/jul08_4/b2783#216920).
    It is obvious, I would say that Simon was “shorthanding” / paraphrasing for the general readership. I am hopeful that the judges got this, hence the discussion (in their Lordships’ questioning of the BCA’s lawyers) of whether:
    bq. _”no evidence”_ (as written by a scientist in a brief newspaper article)
    – is shorthand for (and implicitly means):
    bq. _”no evidence *that is actually reliable/believable*”_

  10. Mike Fowler says:

    Austin, let’s hope their interpretation matches yours. I’m really looking forward to what will undoubtedly be a lengthy, overly verbose, jargon-filled, judicial ruling. Seriously. Trust me, I’m a scientist…

  11. Richard Wintle says:

    That editorial piece by Edzard Ernst is pure brilliance. Not vindictive, just the facts on the references provided, and as a coup de grace, a nice little discussion of the ones the BCA “forgot” to cite.

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