I’ve been giving a lot of thought recently to the effects of a peripatetic scientific lifestyle on friendships. I spent my undergrad, postgrad and postdoctoral years in different countries, and in each place there was a constant reshuffling of my group of friends as some people moved on to new positions, and new recruits arrived to take their place. These days though I’m firmly settled in Vancouver, working in the same building in which I did my postdoctoral research. The company that employed me for the two years in between is about a three minute walk away. A new job no longer means a new location and a new group of friends.
This is great in that I’ve finally got a group of friends that will stay relatively stable over time; many of my former colleagues, especially from my industry position, have no intention of leaving Vancouver. I have regular coffee, lunch and beer dates with friends from both of my previous Vancouver jobs, and I can’t go anywhere within a three block radius of my office without meeting people I know. On Thursday I was having a working lunch with a colleague in a sushi place around the corner from work, and I met three groups of people from my industry job, and one from my postdoctoral department.
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Sometimes you need to talk shop and you don’t wanna go where everybody knows your name.
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Vancouver’s life science industry is still quite small, and I realised last week (on a different lunch outing) that many of the people I’ve worked with in the past will be a constant and recurring feature of my career here. A friend from my new job had invited me to have lunch with a group of her former colleagues. I didn’t think I knew anyone else who’d worked at that institute, but as it turns out, I knew three of them from my last job, and one from my postdoc! It’s a very very small world we live in, and wherever my career takes me in Vancouver I will keep meeting these people again and again. I’d better watch my behaviour at those beer-infused outings.
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A couple of days later I was having drinks with some friends from my postdoc years. I’ve been lucky enough to meet some of the department’s new recruits through those of the original crowd who are still there, and it’s a really great group of people. I started chatting to a British postdoc who started a couple of years after me, and who’s coming to the end of his time in the lab. He’s thinking of either going back to the UK or on to Australia. A student who I don’t know quite as well is almost certainly going to Stanford. Other students are about 18 months away from finishing, and are already starting to talk about living abroad for a while.
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It’s happening again.
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It’s always sad when people move on. There’s something about a lab environment that fosters close friendships, and I’ve always been in very social and close-knit labs. I miss working with lots of my old friends, who are now scattered across the world.
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And, of course, that’s the upside. I’ve met up with old labmates in Boston, Washington DC and San Diego, and have others in Montreal, Portland, Sydney, various locations in the UK, and (new and exciting!) Crete. Several of my old friends have made their way to Vancouver on various conferences and interviews. But it’s just not the same.
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Hmmm. I’ll have to try to persuade some of my closest friends to stay a little longer. The Olympics are going to be great, guys…
I can’t get used to it either. The annual change, the outflux of friends and the influx of new people. I agree that Vancouver has a close knit Life Sci community – all the more reason for young scientists not to burn bridges because the same faces come up again and again. Things like the Student Biotech Network really help students with networking and other skills.
Still though, the whole process of leaving a lab is quite a difficult thing whether it was a close and friendly lab or not.
Katy
It is really strange how scientists are all migrant workers, in a sense. We go where the work is. People who are grown ups, with families and homes, still have to move for the post-doc position, for the professorship… and even then you are not settled for good. It’s weird to constantly be in transition!
Cath,
this is a very familiar story. I have moved every 2-4 years since graduation and only once was the new job in the same town. It gets more complicated when your wife is also a scientist and you like to live together (who doesn’t). We might have found the jobs where we could stay a little longer, but it is not in the city we would have picked otherwise and it means a long commute for my wife. Vancouver is very high on my personal list of favorite places to live.
Hi Katy! SBN is a great idea, but it’s difficult to get to the events if you don’t work on campus. And are you really saying that you’re having a hard time leaving your current lab?!
Anna, it is indeed strange. I’m having a hard time thinking of other careers in which well educated and experienced people hop around the world so much.
Martin, the two-body problem is one I don’t envy. I almost got sucked into it, but events conspired to let me immigrate to Canada by myself. How long ago did you live in Vancouver?